Salah Faham Yg Teramat SGT!!!

aku ni newbie lagi. aku difahamkan ada berlaku kekecohan skit dlm forum ni. n aku pn register bukak baca lar apa yg berlaku. aku dh baca thread 'UMP hampir tercorot di kalangan IPTA' tuh. mmg berlaku salah fhm yg sgt besar sbb tuh berlaku pergaduhan.

1. calebdanvers mungkin terlalu emosi n menyebabkan budak2 lain x baca post2 dia atau sbb die post dlm BI, bebudak ni x faham. lain kali, lembut skit bahasa tuh.

2. redlers05 terang2 kata die x baca pun post org lain n itu menunjukkan dia mmg x faham apa yg org lain tulis.

3. rais87 mmg buat kaco. bukannya nak baca pn apa yg org tulis n terus tibai je orang lain.

4. aku respect thalhah n Iruga, moderator rowanlim.

4. moderators yg lain ade yg mmg x bantu langsung utk beri keterangan. mungkin sama kes kut ngan redlers05 xfaham apa yg cuba disampaikan.

aku pn muslim. tapi ape jadahnya korang tak bace post org elok2? aku baca ilek je? sebelum tibai org lain, tlg fahamkan apa yg nak disampaikan oleh org tuh. aku x terbaca pn calebdanvers cakap pasal nak condemn2 hukum hudud. yg dia maksudkan rules yg menyebabkan non-muslim terheret bersama kat ump ni. n dia nak bagitau kebimbangan dia. mungkin cara dia tuh tak kena, emosi sgt.

aku dfahamkan gak ade berlaku kes kat section lain. tapi mana section tu? aku nak baca.

ada berlaku.... cari pasal hudud dekat ruangan keagamaan... belah belah situlah...

lagipun masalah macam dah sejuk sedikit.... sepatutnya benda ni tak berlaku,kita sebagai mahasiswa patut sedar dan sabar, minta penjelasan lebih lanjut kalau tak paham....

1. Thanks, faiz for looking at the issue in an objective manner.

2. About the Hudud topic, it's been closed & sent to the Special Section area which is only accessible to Mods & Admins. I apologize for that topic but I worry that too many people will head over there & get "hot" again. That topic may be displayed as an example of how not to flare up anger, but that's in discussion.

3. You're right to say that it's better to read the content of another person's post, understand his/her opinion then process your own. This is important to hold a discussion. If you don't understand the issues coming from the other party, the discussion will turn into a messy argument. You can see in the chatbox people still being insulting & flaming Caleb. This is not what we want in our forum.

4. We CAN hold discussions touching religion. I've seen it happen in international forums. It's all about being cool-headed, understanding the matter presented & giving your opinion about it.

5. I'm sure with time, if we are diligent enough, we'll be able to discuss topics with ease. Memang sebagai mahasiswa, we are different from hooligans & we're here for a reason: TO LEARN.

x dpt access thread tuh. cane ek?

well aku akui kesalahan aku x baca thread smpai abis, tp cam yg ko kate tuh la, post si caleb tuh penuh ngan emosi, bila org balas post ye je, die lg emosi, org dh ckp bek2 die nk marah gak, cmner org len pn x hot, post yg pnjg2 tuh pn penuh emosi, dr baca bek aku x yah baca, dh la english aku broken...

sorry skali lg kpd yg terasa, aku sedih gak dgr prkataan "ustad disgusting", bkn pe, ayah aku pn ustad, so bila caleb ckp ustad disgusting, aku pn ade gak la terasa, walaupn yg dimaksudkn tuh bkn ayah aku, well tu pun sbb aku respect ayah aku the most...

lg satu bila topic hudud dibangkitkn, aku nk jawab certain soalan tuh mmg penin@sedih gak, bkn pe, kita nih pn mntah lagik, kalu silap jawab secara x langsung kita bg info yg silap kt non-muslim laen, bila kita silap bg info, pndangan diorg kt agama kita jd laen lak...n bab2 gini mane leh bg assumtion je, sumer nih hukum Allah bg yg beragama Islam...kita sbg Islam pun x dpt nk pertikaikn@ragui hudud2 nih...

tuh la...ko x paham apa yg dia ckp. dia kata ustaz2 yg impose rules tu kt non-muslims menyebabkan dia rasa disgusting. dia ada explain kt asuramaru n apologize lag. ko ada baca x? aku rasa yg hot tu sbb ko kata dia selfish. betul? ko x abis baca. bukannya ayah ko yg dia maksudkan. mmg lar, aku rasa dia ada prejudis. nape x betulkan je pandangan dia? aku rasa la kan, ko mmg patut abiskan baca post2 dia. satu lag, aku terbaca bebudak ni kata dia condemn hukum hudud, aku rasa xde pn. rules ump yg masa taun 2006 tuh je yg dimaksudkan. cuba baca elok2 apa yg cuba dibawak oleh si caleb tuh. dia emosi sbb cuba bayangkan, agama ko x suh ko buat camtuh pn, tapi ko kena buat n terang2 rules tue mmg ade unsur2 islam. macam kita kalo hak utk solat xde, masjid dirobohkan n tertindas, apa x hotnya?

aku x dpt access thread hudud tuh lag. nnt, aku bag komen. aku x nak komen pasal hukum hudud ni skang. tapi aku cuma nak tau ape yg dibimbangkan oleh non-muslims.

terima kasih sekali lagi kepada faiz kerana datang memperbetulkan masalah....itu la...nie yg celeb slalu mention pasal diorang nie asyik misintrepret ape yg dier nak cakap tu....rasenyer faiz jer yg bace sume ape yg caleb tulis tu....n most important ialah faiz ade understand-kan ape yg celeb tulis....yang celeb bimbangkan most ialah kalo hukum hudud nih dijalankan di malaysia, ia akan melibatkan yg non muslim skali....walaupun ade janji dr pihak2 tertentu yg hukum hudud nih wont be implemented on non muslim, tapi celeb amik ump sebagai contoh di mana yg non muslim jugak terpaksa ikut some rules yg datang dr agama islam itu sendiri....contohnyer xle couple la, naik moto sorang laki sorang pompuan pon xle....sume tu ialah aktiviti yg bleh mengalakkan maksiat kalo in islam kan?tapi kite pon dah besar....tau pikir da....so x harap la rules tu kena kat non muslim....sedangkan ump yg kecil nie pon ade kes mini hudud nih....so kalo dijalankan di malaysia, sure ker yg non muslim x terlibat?nie lah yg dibimbangkan oleh celeb dan jugak ape yg nak dimaksudkan tu....(walaupon nadanyer emo sket) heheheh....

itu la sebabnya.... kita sebagai mahasiswa kene berfikir sebelum bertindak, bukan bertindak sebelum berfikir...bahasa "jawa"nya ( think before act, not act before thinking...(forget the grammar))...heheheh....

ok sekarang stop sampai sini je.... aku taknak benda ni berlarutan dan akhir sekali, umplife terkubur sampai sini....

ilek la bro...umplife xkan terkubur....paling teruk pon topic nie yg terkubur jer....haha...

jangan main2 dengan pihak pengurusan ptmk tu.... lagi satu dengan "mata2" diluar sana....hehehehe

sebab benda macam ni boleh jadi isu....

betul apa yang zic bagitahu....
kalau boleh kita stop la bangkitkan isu2 macam ni...
takut nanti kita kene attack balik dengan pihak pengurusan...
anyway masalah caleb tu insyaAllah aku akan setelkan....
lagipun aku dah deal elok2 dengan dia....

emm... akhirnya salah paham da dibetulkan.. thanks for the starter of this topic faiz_0586

tu lah...thak to ts and every body....

sebagai manusia, kadang boleh khilaf.... nama pun manusia, semenjak penciptaan lagi sikap terburu-buru tu ada....

^i agree. thanx alot to faiz_0586 for hearing me out. i shouldnt have brought these issues up since no constructive comments have been relayed so far. my bad. and ill apologize to those involved especially redlers05 over at PM. but please get rais87 and vanilla to speak with proper tone too and read and get what i wrote. i wont apologize to these two as they have taken it too far. ill be gone for good. thank you.

Congratulations to faiz on your new moderator post. Hopefully we can have interesting & strong discussions in this section for the benefit of UMP & UMP-ians.

We are university students, this is where we open our minds & exchange ideas, debate an issue to come to a consensus. So as long as we can moderate ourselves, there should be no problem.