Marital Sex in the eyes of Imam Samir Abu Hamza

erm....kenapa x ada nabi dan rasul perempuan eh?ade sejarah dier x?ker ade hikmah jugak di sebalik kejadian ini.....

hmm, lelaki nih pemimpin, ketua keluarga, kalu iktkn mmg lelaki nih ketua, dulu asal2 cipta manusia, Nabi Adam dulu baru Hawa...Hawa lak dijadikn dr tulang rusuk Nabi Adam,rusuk lak brade diantara hati ngan lengan lelaki, so kaum wanita dijadikn utk disayangi dan dilindungi la...

kalu ikut Islam gak, lelaki nih die 9 akal 1 nafsu, yg pompuan lak, 1 akal 9 nafsu, so lelaki nyer pemikiran lebih matang la, aku pn xtau nk citer cmner, tp lebih kurang cmtuh la...

satya_85 wrote:23 years of my life and hundreds of Muslim friends later I still haven't found the corrective methods for men who do wrong. Only the women have been suffering all this while. In Pakistan it became a norm for men to the noses of their wives who talk to other men. Cutting their noses!!! You gotta be kidding me if you say there are limits applied. In this hugely male dominated world the limits just aren't there. When Amnesty Int. spoke about this to King Abdullah (the ruler of Saudi Arabia) he said it wasn't wrong. Coming from the founders of the religion, I find it very disturbing.

Also I'd love if someone explained to me the logic of suppressing women in order to reduce sex crimes. Women are Hijab bound so that men wouldn't be tempted to rape/have sex with them? I have two issues regarding this. Firstly, instead of suppressing women why not discipline men? Isn't that the reason the religion came at the first place. Secondly, in this practice itself it can be clearly said that the religion is siding to the males. How many female prophets are there? In this case how do you propose we regulate the amount of 'allowed torture'?

Please I beg someone to answer this.

for the first question,as mentioned by redlers05,lelaki ade 9 akal 1 nafsu,and what lust is that?it is sex,why not discipline men?there are stories behind this

i heard a story of how lust exist,it is said that lust was once a very rock headed and never ever obey the Allah's will,and by that God punish him and put him under the very deep depth of hell,on thousand years later,God take lust out and still found out the same result,God then put him in the most coldest area(forgot where),and when thousand years later when God take lust out,still found the same result,lust does not obey the God will's....however,when lust was thrown and capture in sumthin,never been feed or drink for a thousand years,he then obey the God will's,that is why muslim's has fasten on Ramadhan,so we can control the lust inside us

whats the relation between lust and discipline men?well obviously,women got 9 lust,meaning that they intrest is not on sex only,mayb on things,food,or anything,so the power to conquer oneself are divided into 9 interest,but for me,though we have 9 brain,still we only concentrate on 1 lust,that is sex,so all the interest are focus on men sex,just see the male friend around you,all of them always thinkin "blue" ryt?so that's why we must discipline the men first!

for the second question,already asnwerd by redlers05,tq

As female, I feel offended. I'm not as lusty as described.

rowanlim wrote:As female, I feel offended. I'm not as lusty as described.

oh sorry!its just a general,but not everyone same like you,in Islam actually,we look women as a diamond,hard to find and we kept it in good condition,we don't want women to be like a prostitute or anything that near to it,for example

women are suppose to wear tudung to cover their head,but the men are not suppose to wear any songkok/kopiah,does it sound not fair?or would you prefer:
1)women can wear anything(even wear a bikini n go around2 showing their body)
2)show their hair to others
3)do as man can do!

i'll try to explain it in malay so i wont make it more confuse

oleh kerana di zaman moden ini,perkare2 di atas adalah biase bagi wanita,namun dalam islam,apekah hak suami jika bentuk badan isterinya turut dinikmati oleh orang lain?rugilah kawin macam ini

ade juga dalam islam menyebut,rambut itu mahkota wanita,sebabnye rambut itu aurat,dan menampakkan kecantikan sebenar wanita,dalam islam,kecantikan sebenar wanita itu hanyelah pada suaminya,maksudnya seluruh anggota badannye milik suami,tetapi apekah hak suami akan hilang,jika mahkota isteri dikongsi dengan orang lain?

kenape perempuan xleh buat seperti lelaki boleh buat?ade banyak perkare yang boleh dibuat bersame,namun ade batasnye,perempuan memang terkenal dengan adab dan sopan santun,sifat malu dan pebagai sifat2 yang feminin,namun apekah si lelaki akan kate jika wanita ini berkelakuan seperti lelaki?kan nanti tak laku laa si perempuan ni,dalam islam menitik beratkan perlakuan wanita dalam kehidupan,ade batas2nye dan tidaklah boleh bermain permainan yang terlalu banyak pergerakannye,sbg contoh boxing!pergh klu perempuan yang masok boxing,dah nampak macam lelaki daaa

oleh itu,jika dilihat dr sudut kemodenan,sesetengah pihak mengatekan Islam itu kuno,tetapi jika difikir dalam2,jika Islam diamalkan,pelbagai kelebihan akan dapat dari perkataan kuno itu

sekian,sorry if my words harm others

^Thank you for that explanation.

I know that there are reasons for such concepts & rules.

Maybe I'm too liberal for my own good hahahaha...Certain rules fit certain individuals I think, so no worries

haha,dat's why muslim must know what Islam is,there are so many Muslim who always think for themselves,but not the consequences,manners is what matter for women

women=diamond
rowie=women
rowie=diamond!

Sengal wrote:haha,dat's why muslim must know what Islam is,there are so many Muslim who always think for themselves,but not the consequences,manners is what matter for women

women=diamond
rowie=women
rowie=diamond!

conclusion, gi pajak rowie kt kedai emas, diamond tuh, mahal2, haha

p/s= hehe, jgn marah mod rowanlim, just kidding

Ok, Back to the topic..

Secara ringkasnya Islam mementingkan kesopanan. Sebab tu la dalam Islam ada etika berpakaian.
Antara suami/isteri, keluarga, adik beradik, rakan-rakan, sesama islam, juga antara Islam dan bukan Islam..
Semua ada adap-adap.

Sebenarnya takde kaitan antara sesuai dengan zaman moden atau tak.. tapi persoalan sebenarnya adalah 'Mahu' atau 'Tidak Mahu'..

redlers05, pajak rowanlim kt kedai emas? agaknya, bape pulangannya ye?

haha, tu kena tnye tuan ye, standerd hantaran rm10k, haha...

penah dgr x 'fanatik agama'??yg kerat hidung atau pe2 jela 2 jns taksub sgt smpai xtau nk guna agama ngn btol..klu nk ckp islm wat cm2 hbs agma lain 2 btol sgt ke??klu smue nk bnth suami xleh pukl istri cm2 jahanam r rmh tnga..istri nk wat slh pe pon lntk dia r kan..itu tngjwb sorg ktua kluarga nk jga ank istri..samala dgn pmmpn mna2 pon..dia da hak nk btolkan org bwh dia..klu dia wat slh itu dri sndr pnye psal la...
dosa tngung sndr r sbb slh guna kuasa..klu nk ckp women is weaker sex 2 da btol da bnarnye..pikir r dulu nk ckp pon..ni ikut hati sbb bnci..

faiz_0586 wrote:redlers05, pajak rowanlim kt kedai emas? agaknya, bape pulangannya ye?

I'm too expensive for you, sweetheart

aku la????? wrote:penah dgr x 'fanatik agama'??yg kerat hidung atau pe2 jela 2 jns taksub sgt smpai xtau nk guna agama ngn btol..klu nk ckp islm wat cm2 hbs agma lain 2 btol sgt ke??klu smue nk bnth suami xleh pukl istri cm2 jahanam r rmh tnga..istri nk wat slh pe pon lntk dia r kan..itu tngjwb sorg ktua kluarga nk jga ank istri..samala dgn pmmpn mna2 pon..dia da hak nk btolkan org bwh dia..klu dia wat slh itu dri sndr pnye psal la...
dosa tngung sndr r sbb slh guna kuasa..klu nk ckp women is weaker sex 2 da btol da bnarnye..pikir r dulu nk ckp pon..ni ikut hati sbb bnci..

Sorry I don't really understand your post

calebdanvers wrote:
another statement by that imam and i quote 'if the husband was to ask her for a sexual relationship and she's preparing the bread on the stove, she must leave it and come and respond to her husband, she must respond'. this came out on nst and i read it with dismay. my friend said he's right.

I was walking around and find this quote interesting Lets make it clear to all non-muslims 'if the husband was to ask her for a sexual
relationship and she's preparing the bread on the stove, she must leave
it and come and respond to her husband, she must respond' .. Sexual relationship between husband and wife obviously need two sides; husband and his wife sexual relationship doesn't only involve physical interaction, but the 'inside'; as simple word say , their heart .. let's say the wife is tired after a hard day of work .. smile to her husband and say politely that she's tired a good husband should understand let's say the husband is a hulk with uncontrollable lust of sexual desire and start to be angry, and beat his own wife .. as a human the wife has the right to defend herself ; without using high tones in her voice (scold) or beating back her husband make a report on sexual abuse or whateva to the Jbatan Agama and heavy punishment will be carried out to the stupid husband

my point is, a wife is a responsibility to her husband respect your husband desire and be polite if i can't do it

p/s: topik ni is about RELIGION .. jgn emo2 and gadoh2 as a muslim we answer with what we know, coz a HUMAN might not know how to explain perfectly in words , only u know your heart

haha,nice explanation and when i scroll down to your signature,i became enthusiastic!!hahaha

knape perlu benci dan bergadoh,kn aritu ade IFD(interfaith dialogue),ade join ke dop ni?