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12-year-old bride and her husband is a 43-year-old Indonesian cleric!!

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Post by calebdanvers on Fri Nov 28, 2008 4:20 pm

i was reading this on NST yesterday on my way back to Kuala Terengganu to visit my grandma who has been sick for days now. and god, u wonder can anybody be more wacko jacko than this muslim preacher marrying a 12-year-old girl, an underage juvenile? and they, those muslim religious leaders, say that this is in line with the anti-child pornography bill and that they are merely protecting vulnerable women while at the same time endorsing the 12-year-old girl's marriage to a 43-year-old muslim preacher!!! ...i really dunno what to say ......im ****ing.......speechless, dumbfounded, flabbergasted and hell u know what the **** im feeling rite now.

the news excerpt below comes from http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iXPxKLxTpTf09gkPlC6E0XUdHO3g


Indonesian clerics take child brides, back anti porn bill

JAKARTA (AFP) — Indonesian Muslim clerics who claim to be protecting vulnerable women by backing a new anti-pornography law have come out in defence of a fellow preacher who has married a 12-year-old village girl.
The issue of child brides for religious men in the mainly Muslim country has became a subject of national debate since little-known cleric Pujianto Cahyo Widiyanto, 43, married junior high school student Lutfiana Ulfa in August.
His case went virtually unnoticed until Muslim conservatives started lobbying parliament to pass a new anti-pornography bill which was opposed by a broad spectrum of civil society groups and non-Muslims.
Passed in October with the backing of the very clerics who are now defending Widiyanto, the law criminalises all movements and works, including poetry and music, deemed obscene and capable of violating public morality.
"These clerics are hypocrites," lawmaker Said Abdullah, from the Democratic Party of Struggle of former president Megawati Sukarnoputri, told AFP.
"They say the anti-porn law will protect young women, but yet they dehumanise them by marrying underage girls and supporting child marriage."
Under Indonesian pedophilia laws, Widiyanto could face 15 years' jail for having sex with a minor. He is under investigation but openly talks about his love of pubescent girls and his plans to marry more.
"There is no coercion. The girls like me and their parents have given their blessings," Widiyanto was quoted as telling Detikcom news website.
And no one should interfere because child brides are allowed under Islam, according to Muslims such as Hilman Rosyad Syihab, the deputy head of the Islam-based Prosperous Justice Party which backed the pornography law.
He said Islam allowed marriage regardless of whether a girl had reached sexual maturity.
"But the husband can only have sex with her once she reaches puberty," he explained, in contravention of the law which sets 16 as the minimum marriage age for women and 18 as the age of consent.
The issue highlights the ongoing battle in Indonesia between the law of the land, debated and passed in a democratic parliament, and the law of God as defined by a tiny minority of Islamic leaders.
"Indonesia is not an Islamic state so why is Syihab citing Islamic laws? By supporting Widiyanto, he is breaking state law," Abdullah said.
Child Protection Commission head Seto Mulyadi said there were "thousands of cases like Widiyanto's" in Indonesia.
"Islamic laws may have positive values, but state laws must be followed. There must be stronger law enforcement to stop these cases," he said.
But Syarifuddin Abdul Gani, a senior member of the country's highest Islamic body, the Indonesian Council of Ulemas, said he saw no problem with Widiyanto's marriage.
"This man has not broken any Islamic rule. The couple's marriage is still valid," he said.
Widiyanto, the principal of a Muslim boarding school in Semarang, central Java, isn't happy with only one child bride. He reportedly plans to marry two other girls aged nine and seven.
Forced to act only after his case hit the headlines, the police are now investigating him for possible breaches of the 2002 child protection law, which covers forcing or trading a child into sex and marrying a minor.
Care Foundation Indonesia director Saiful Hadi said child marriages were typically rural affairs, sealed in unofficial religious ceremonies not recognised by the state.
The groom is "almost always someone religious" and old enough to be the girl's father, he said.
"Often they manage or teach at religious boarding schools and find wives from their pool of female students. These men are considered gurus, respectable people, so the girls' parents can't say no to their proposals," Hadi said.
The girls usually have no say in the matter. Most are sold by their impoverished parents or given away to ease the economic burden on their families.
"The girls' families are usually poor," Hadi said.
Tackling the problem should be simple, said lawmaker Abdullah.
"Every sub-district has a religious affairs department that oversees marriages. Simply demote or sack officials who allow child marriages to take place," he said.


u can also read bout this on the NST dated november 27.

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Re: 12-year-old bride and her husband is a 43-year-old Indonesian cleric!!

Post by asuramaru on Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:05 pm

for me is too cruel to ask a 12 year old girl to marry someone.....
lu pikir la sendiri.....

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Post by rowanlim on Sat Nov 29, 2008 4:30 pm

Yeah la...f*****g sick. As a female I feel disgusted. He wants to take 2 more child brides. That's plain sick.

EDIT: I apologize for the crude language. I thought the word would be censored automatically


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Re: 12-year-old bride and her husband is a 43-year-old Indonesian cleric!!

Post by calebdanvers on Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:47 pm

i really dun understand the mentality of certain ppl sometimes. i think even the blind cud hav found that cleric is a 100% total pervert. but that sad bunch of muslim clergymen finds it totally in line with the anti-pornography act and thinks by marrying a 12-year-old girl, it cud help protect her from being preyed upon? err....hello? preyed upon by whom? that cleric himself and his accomplices, the other clerics? god!!! how bout marrying ALL 12-YEAR-OLD GIRLS in the world? obviously taking only 3 of them won't be enuf to protect those vulnerable girls cuz there are still thousands and millions of them out there!! how wud u justify the fact that there's no coercion involved when we obviously know that girl is 12-years-old, a juvenile, and a minor who doesn't even know what pedophilia is and how its spelled!!!

that ****ed up muslim preacher, a religion hijacker(COWARD), definitely has a thing for young schoolgirls and im pretty sure he's a ****ng pervert with a twisted mind. i DEFINITELY cannot imagine someone having sex with a minor, someone who's only old enuf to be ur daughter, or if ur lucky, ur granddaughter!!! SICK AND GROSS!!! get a life!!

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Post by Miow on Sun Nov 30, 2008 8:51 pm

i have no comment..just dun have a bad atitude about wat is Islam...maybe the man doesn't really know Islam..n as a fact Indonesian practice of Islam is way different than the real one..somehow in Indonesia they have slighly run away from Muslim way of life...as an example...a Muslim is not allowed to get marry with others ppl who have diff religion,but sadly in indonesia it is allowed..they somehow defy Quran teachings..as for this case its the same...

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Post by calebdanvers on Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:48 pm

@Miow - err, did u not get it or it's juz me who's being overly sensitive here? when i used and i quote 'religion hijacker(coward)', it shud be alluding to me having no bad perception nor behaving badly or inappropriately toward islam. i'd appreciate it if u cud go to the trouble of clarifying things before u write sth bout me showing contempt for islam. im pretty sure i wasnt implying or insinuating anything, and i hav nuthing to hide either. i'd even thank u if u cud juz read and comprehend my posts with proper knowledge and manner the next time u sign in. i believe we hav clashed bfore on the 'non-halal foods' issue not long ago. dun even start!!!

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Post by asuramaru on Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:08 pm

hey2....
no offence ok....
peace2....
everyone has their own 'pendapat'...
so....
be cool ok???

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Post by calebdanvers on Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:14 pm

@asuramaru - yeah, i totally get the duty of a moderator. to moderate the flow of the forum. and im sorry if i somehow overstepped it and tested ur patience. but i'd really appreciate sth that comes with absolute respect. i'd be cool if miow cud clear things up here. i cud be wrong afterall bout what he wrote, who knows rite?

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Post by asuramaru on Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:49 am

aha....
i get it caleb.....
ok....
back to topic....

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Post by calebdanvers on Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:58 pm

Miow wrote:i have no comment..just dun have a bad atitude about wat is Islam...maybe the man doesn't really know Islam..n as a fact Indonesian practice of Islam is way different than the real one..somehow in Indonesia they have slighly run away from Muslim way of life...as an example...a Muslim is not allowed to get marry with others ppl who have diff religion,but sadly in indonesia it is allowed..they somehow defy Quran teachings..as for this case its the same...


note the 1st bold-faced sentence. i cant help but wonder. it doesnt make sense to me. hope u cud make sense of it for me though. i thot he's a muslim preacher? and ur telling me he doesnt get islamic teachings and he doesnt understand whats islam? what qualifies a muslim preacher then?

at the 2nd bold-faced sentence, plz dun be so self-centered and oblivious to what the world is made up of. earthlings are ppl of all walks of life, having diverse cultures, religions and behaviors. we live in this world in MUTUAL EXISTENCE. if u say a muslim cant marry a non-muslim, i take it that means ur thinking that this world only belongs to the muslim clan and those of other faiths are nonexistent. i dun think this is what islam teaches its devotees. i hope u cud really , for once, think out of the box. theres a whole wide world out there and it belongs to all of us. if u dun even know whats a POLE, u might wanna start broadening up ur horizon and thinking for a bit.

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Post by asuramaru on Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:04 pm

caleb....
there are many muslims nowadays just islam by name only...
but not by their 'perbuatan'....
i hope you can understand this.....

the 2nd one...
that's right...
a muslim cannot marry a non-muslim kecuali the non-muslim had converted to islam...
that is the law of marrying in islam....

but the way...
i'm sorry if my statement is hurting your feeling.....

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Post by calebdanvers on Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:18 pm

@asuramaru - yeah, i get it. but a muslim preacher, an 'ulama', deviating from the right course? totally unacceptable and indescribable. despicable i wud say.

and if thats what islam says, then there goes the goal of MUTUAL EXISTENCE. i dun wanna question the validity of islamic teachings. no point cuz its a hypersensitive boiling point. i juz hope respect and deep understanding cud be upheld when it comes to religious issues.

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Post by asuramaru on Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:23 pm

aha....
if you are in my boots...
than you will understand....
muslim nowadays didn't care about ulama'....
they just think that they want to enjoy their life no matter what will happens or only focusing in their carrier as you saw in malay drama's....
i hate to say this....
but muslims nowadays sucks....
i cannot stand it anymore....
lu pikir la sendiri.....

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Post by calebdanvers on Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:34 pm

...yeah i think i understand what u were trying to say. im not that religious actually. im more to what ppl call as free thinker. i cud be really extreme sometimes when commenting on religious issues.

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Post by asuramaru on Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:48 pm

aha....
it's ok....
like i said before this....
everyone has their pendapat...

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