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Post by calebdanvers on Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:44 am

i feel the urge to post this after coming off of the fact that the Bali bombers showed no remorse in their wrongdoings. note the name abu bakar bashir in the news article. extracted from http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24624425-12335,00.html


Indonesia confirms Bali bomber executions


November 09, 2008
Article from: The Associated Press


THREE Bali bombers have been executed on an Indonesian island for their lead roles in the 2002 nightclub bombings that killed 202 people, including 88 Australians.
The family of Mukhlas and his younger brother Amrozi said the bombers had been executed along with Imam Samudra just after midnight local time (4am AEDT) on Nusakambangan Island, in Central Java, where they had been jailed.
“Our family has received news of the execution ... May our brothers, God willing, be invited by green birds to heaven now,” Mohammad Chozin, a brother of Mukhlas and Amrozi, said in their home village of Tenggulun.
“We're now handling the preparations to bring the bodies back, which may take two hours,” he said outside an Islamic boarding school in the east Java village, as supporters shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is greater).
Indonesia's Attorney General's Office later confirmed the executions had taken place.
“At 12.15am, the convicts ... were executed by shooting and followed up with an autopsy,” spokesman Jasman Pandjaitan said.
“They have been stated as dead. At this moment the bodies are being washed by the family.”
Attorney General Hendarman Supanji will hold a press conference in Jakarta at 11am local time (3pm AEDT).
The bombers were simultaneously shot through the heart by crack Indonesian troops assembled to carry out the task.
They were executed in an orchard some 6km from their prison on Nusakambangan Island, Indonesia's TV One reported.
A source at the prison said they shouted “Allahu Akbar” as they were escorted out of their isolation cells by paramilitary police shortly before their executions.
Australians expressed relief that the men were finally dead, six years after they brought carnage to Bali by sending suicide bombers to attack the Sari Club and nearby Paddy's Bar on October 12, 2002.
“... we've waited a very long time for this and this is our justice,” Sydney woman Maria Kotronakis, who lost two sisters and two cousins, told CNN, struggling at times to speak.
“Finally the moment has come ... we are over the moon.”
Survivor Peter Hughes, of Perth, who suffered horrific burns in the bombings, said the three militants had paid the highest price for mass murder, but their executions did not bring him any joy.
“These guys went to set about mass murder and paid the highest penalty,” he told CNN.
“It doesn't feel good but they did do the crime and they've paid for it.”
The bombers' bodies will soon be flown by helicopter to their home villages for burial within 24 hours, in accordance with Muslim custom.
In Tenggulun, sobbing mourners are converging on the home of Amrozi and Mukhlas' mother.
Hardline cleric Abu Bakar Bashir – the co-founder of Jemaah Islamiah, the group blamed for the Bali bombings – praised the bombers as “holy warriors” during a visit to the village on Saturday.
Security forces are on high alert across the mainly Muslim country, after the bombers urged supporters to carry out revenge attacks if their executions went ahead.
Australian authorities have advised Australians to reconsider the need to travel to Indonesia.
The 2002 Bali attacks were the bloodiest in a sustained period of al-Qaeda-inspired jihadist violence in the world's most populous Muslim country.

With AFP


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Re: Bali bomber execution

Post by rowanlim on Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:59 am

Mad people cannot see reason. They feel their acts were justified. You can't dig out remorse from them.

Scary part is people don't see them as murderers, but as martyrs...

I'm still undecided about where I stand about death sentence, though...

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Post by calebdanvers on Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:28 pm

well, anyone ever heard of the peoples temple, reverend jim jones and the jonestown massacre in 1978 in Guyana? my mom told me bout this notorious cult and i did some research on it. have a splash here http://www.guyana.org/features/jonestown.html. is it juz me or that those bali bombers that had been blinded with killing ppl in exhange for going to heaven with 7 awaiting angels are the striking resemblance of the tragic jonestown killing?

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Post by rowanlim on Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:22 pm

^Yup I heard about that (the People's Temple). That's crazy. It's horrifying.

Well they can call it whatever they want, they are crazy to do stuff like that...

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Post by chingfui on Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:31 pm

Oh my, my frens are still planning to go bali this christmas and i wanted to join them earlier.

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Post by rowanlim on Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:42 pm

^Haha I think it's okay to go now, right? The bombing happened about 6 yrs ago. But I think better to be safe than sorry...Go Langkawi hehe..

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Post by calebdanvers on Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:56 pm

bali natives are predominantly hindus rite? what gives those extremists the right to force their religion unto those balinese?

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Post by radin87 on Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:33 pm

maybe the extremist is lead by someone who determination fueled by anger and hatred..
or nationalism factor??

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Post by calebdanvers on Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:37 pm

and u know who's been supporting them? abu bakar bashir!!! which leads me back to why i said even clergymen cud stray off course, interpret those verses from the holy book wrongly, and make baseless statements.

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Post by radin87 on Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:41 pm

Yes, undeniable indeed..
A slightly mistakes that can lead to disaster..

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Post by calebdanvers on Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:13 pm

radin87, have u heard of the peoples temple? ppl see it as a cult but shrugged off by the followers as baseless. it took place in 1978, and i know we werent even born yet at that time. im still searching on a lot of notorious cults around the globe that gained so much media coverage back then by asking my mom. try read bout the peoples temple here http://www.guyana.org/features/jonestown.html.

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Post by rowanlim on Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:15 pm

Shows that even a religion that means no harm is twisted by madmen. I don't condemn the religion, just the lunatics who try to ruin the religion's name. Mental, indeed.

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Post by calebdanvers on Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:22 am

i managed to dig out sth bout aum shinrikyo, a japanese religious cult whose members released the sarin gas on the subway trains in japan. go here if u'd like further details http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/AumShinrikyo.cfm




July 23, 2002


While religiously motivated terrorist groups are by no means an isolated phenomenon, Japan's Aum Shinrikyo (or Aum "supreme truth") cult presents an unusual case in this category. The actions of the group drew widespread attention after it perpetrated the infamous sarin gas attack on the Tokyo underground in 1995. Even before the incident, though, a combination of Japanese religious protections and the group's access to vast financial and human resources had allowed Aum Shinrikyo to become the first nonstate group to successfully launch a large-scale chemical weapon attack against civilians.
The driving force behind the group's violent efforts stem from its eccentric guru, a half-blind yoga instructor named Shoko Asahara who aims to take over first Japan and then the world. Asahara, born Chizuo Matsumoto, has been elevated to a messianic figure in the cult's hybrid belief system, which incorporates elements from Hinduism, Tibetan Buddhism, and Christianity. Most notable, however, are Asahara's divinations of an imminent "Armageddon" in which, according to his predictions, the United States would attack Japan using weapons of mass destruction (WMD). Asahara himself would allegedly emerge from the chaos as leader.
Whether Asahara and his inner circle of followers truly subscribed to the religion is unclear, but this apocalyptic prophecy ostensibly inspired the 1995 sarin attack by which Asahara hoped to accelerate the process. In retrospect, the plan may have achieved the opposite by placing the group under close government scrutiny and spurring a worldwide crackdown on its membership and operations. During the investigations that followed, authorities confirmed that members of Aum Shinrikyo had planned and executed nine other attacks using chemical weapons, and seven attempts with biological weapons.
The full extent of their capabilities came to light as well. Even though their uses of biological weapons failed dismally — they never acquired the necessary strains of clostridium botulinum to produce botulinum toxin and their anthrax attacks involved a harmless vaccine strain — Aum Shinrikyo's scientists were able to equip enough sarin-producing capacity to kill an estimated 4.2 million people. Other chemical agents found in the arsenal, which the cult used against both political enemies and dissident members, included VX, phosgene, and hydrogen cyanide.
Without a state sponsor, the development of such sophisticated destructive capabilities was made possible in large part by the cult's distinctively well-educated members. Aum Shinrikyo's recruiters aggressively targeted university communities, attracting disaffected students and other experts in science and engineering with promises of spiritual enlightenment. Members with specialized skills were organized into quasi-governmental ministries and departments, such as the Ministry of Science and Technology and the Ministry of Justice.
The broad appeal of the belief system further extended to constituencies far beyond academic circles. At the time of the 1995 attack, Aum Shinrikyo claimed up to 10,000 adherents in Japan and a total of as many as 65,000 worldwide, with the majority located in Russia, where the cult was able to purchase access to Russian radio and television. U.S. Senate staff reports estimated its assets on the scale of $1.4 billion, and additional offices provided bases of operation in the United States, Taiwan, Sri Lanka, Australia, and Germany.
Beyond deriving expertise from within its own membership, leaders of Aum Shinrikyo successfully solicited technical help from foreign individuals and businesses. Through contact with Russian military personnel, Russian scientists, and various corporations, they attempted to secure expertise on everything from military training to weapons technology. These channels also allowed the cult to procure a retired Russian military helicopter and a large cache of small arms.
After the 1995 attack, police crackdowns coupled with a public backlash from the negative media attention took a severe toll on the group's membership. In early 2000, the cult officially ousted the imprisoned Asahara as its leader and apologized for the 1995 subway attack, for which it admitted the "undeniable" involvement of some of its members. Shortly thereafter, the group changed its name to Aleph and its new leader, Fumihiro Joyu, claimed that it had renounced its violent methods and illegal activities. Furthermore, it has since anxiously publicized its payments of reparations to victims of the attacks, which amount to less than $2.5 million. Despite these efforts, the Japanese Ministry of Justice continues to monitor the group, believing that it still has malevolent intentions.
The group now employs electronic means such as videoconferencing and the Internet to communicate with its membership, whose growing numbers now range from 1,500 to 2,000 according to U.S. State Department estimates. These include about 650 leaders and teachers who reside mostly in Japan, but some operate in small enduring Russian cells as well. Although the cult has been outlawed in Russia, Japanese authorities have been reluctant to invoke a 1952 anti-subversive law that would ban the group, citing concerns for civil liberties and religious freedom.
In addition to its increased recruiting and advertising, most of the cult's previous financing operations carry on unhindered. While some bizarre ventures such as the selling of health drinks derived from Asahara's dirty bath water have been stymied by the guru's arrest, other practices such as requisitioning members' assets still persist within the organization. Evidence also exists that Aum Shinrikyo may have engaged in production of LSD, though police raids on its chemical facilities may have hampered this capability. Perhaps the most lucrative source of revenue has been the cult's various computer businesses, which are able to severely undercut competitors by producing cheap software and computers written and assembled by dedicated and low-waged cult members. As an illustration of the success of these businesses, in 2000 the Japan Defense Agency delayed the deployment of a new computer system after discovering that it employed software authored by a cult business.
As for the cult's chemical and biological weapons, the Japanese government has eliminated its known capabilities in a variety of raids, including the 1998 dismantlement and demolition of the cult's main chemical facility. Even so, the debate continues on Aum Shinrikyo's broader implications for WMD terrorism. By being the first terrorists to use chemical weapons in an indiscriminate public attack, the group may have "raised the bar" on the extent of attack required to generate enough psychological shock to achieve a terrorist political objective.
Yet on a different line of reasoning, Aum Shinrikyo's megalomaniac leaders and apocalyptic ethos fits poorly the mold of a common terrorist group. Rather than espousing any political ambitions, Asahara was obsessed with using weapons of mass destruction to catalyze a nuclear Armageddon. And despite their abundant knowledge and resources, Aum Shinrikyo's scientists still encountered difficulties with developing weapons and viable delivery systems. These difficulties and the increased risks of detection may make conventional attacks more economical for other terrorists.


these ppl are frigging crazy. i wonder which part of their brains has shorted? they need some rewiring work to make sure their brains are fully functional again.

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Post by rowanlim on Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:31 am

^Creepy...It's hard for us to comprehend...Ordinary people can get sucked into madness too...Recall the case where the couple in KL was beaten to death to be "cured" of illness? That's also work of a cult..

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Post by calebdanvers on Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:39 am

yeah, look at peoples temple. bout 909 loyal peoples temple members died with the mental reverend in the so called 'revolutionary suicide'. and aum shinrikyo, this cult was really generating major waves of support and sworn-in members back then and they tried to invent ARMAGEDDON..im speechless and i know theres alot more out there, ill dig up as many as possible.

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