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To Cane or Not to Cane...
To Cane or Not to Cane...
...Ms. Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno. I'm sure most of you know the issue surrounding this but the BBC news sums it up:
Cast your vote, folks, I'd like to see how this poll turns out
A Malaysian court has reportedly ordered a review of the caning sentence given to a woman caught drinking beer.
The main judge at Pahang's Islamic court put the caning on hold pending the review, saying the sentence was "too extreme", the Star newspaper said.
If the sentence is enforced, Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno will be the first woman to be caned in the country.
Analysts say the government fears that the punishment could damage Malaysia's reputation abroad.
Malaysia has a two-track legal system; majority Malays are subject to Islamic laws, while the large Chinese and Indian minorities are not.
'Cruel image'
Kartika Sari Dewa Shukarno, a 32-year-old mother of two, was arrested for drinking beer in a beachfront hotel in December 2007.
She was initially told she would receive six strokes of a rattan cane this week. This was subsequently delayed until after Ramadan, and now it looks set to be postponed indefinitely.
According to an article in the Malaysia Star newspaper, and similar comments by women's minister Shahrizat Jalil, the chief judge of Pahang state appeals court has ordered the sentence to be deferred pending the review.
Analysts say the government is eager to ensure that the caning sentence is not carried out.
Shahrizat Jalil called the verdict excessive, and said it projected a "cruel image" of Malaysia.
"The overriding view was that the sentence meted out was too harsh and is not commensurate with the offence," she told reporters.
Prime Minister Najib Razak has urged Kartika to appeal.
But instead of doing this, Kartika has asked that her punishment is carried out in public, triggering a debate over the use of Islamic laws in the moderate Muslim country.
Cast your vote, folks, I'd like to see how this poll turns out

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rowanlim- Moderator

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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
extreme???
not really......
anyway kartika take this responsibility because she knows what she had done.....
she knows what did she do and that is wrong in Islam.....
and she want to had this punishment she knows this is the right for her and every muslims.....
(cakap BM sket)
sebenarnya apa yang kartika dah putuskan ni betul....
xde masalahnya....
kita je nampak kejam...
lagipun kalau dia dijatuhkan hukuman ni...
dia dah lepas dari hukuman kat akhirat......
p/s : this is just my opinion..... and akhirat is the place of the aftermath of dead....
not really......
anyway kartika take this responsibility because she knows what she had done.....
she knows what did she do and that is wrong in Islam.....
and she want to had this punishment she knows this is the right for her and every muslims.....
(cakap BM sket)
sebenarnya apa yang kartika dah putuskan ni betul....
xde masalahnya....
kita je nampak kejam...
lagipun kalau dia dijatuhkan hukuman ni...
dia dah lepas dari hukuman kat akhirat......
p/s : this is just my opinion..... and akhirat is the place of the aftermath of dead....


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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
I voted "Yes, she should be caned" for several reasons:
1. She did something that was strictly forbidden in Islam. This punishment is according to the Syariah law & it's a fair one.
2. She is willing to take this punishment. Like you said, asu, only God can truly judge her.
3. If this punishment isn't carried out, then the Syariah law will become obsolete; might as well have 1 civil judiciary system for all.
1. She did something that was strictly forbidden in Islam. This punishment is according to the Syariah law & it's a fair one.
2. She is willing to take this punishment. Like you said, asu, only God can truly judge her.
3. If this punishment isn't carried out, then the Syariah law will become obsolete; might as well have 1 civil judiciary system for all.
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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
I agree with rowanlim and asumaru.. but one thing i do not agree is, WHY ON EARTH OF MALAYSIA, ONLY KARTIKA got the punishment??? how about all the MAK DATINs, PAK DATUKs, YBs and all the royalty families?? they are even worse..

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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
because no one would dare to arrest them.
once again. politics....
everything in malaysia revolves around politics...
even in UMP...
once again. politics....
everything in malaysia revolves around politics...
even in UMP...

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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
rowanlim wrote:I voted "Yes, she should be caned" for several reasons:
1. She did something that was strictly forbidden in Islam. This punishment is according to the Syariah law & it's a fair one.
2. She is willing to take this punishment. Like you said, asu, only God can truly judge her.
3. If this punishment isn't carried out, then the Syariah law will become obsolete; might as well have 1 civil judiciary system for all.
lil sis, 1 reputation for you..ahaks XD
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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
1 rep for you sis...
anyway i also agreed with emma...
why just kartika only had been caught for this???
how about others???
how about muslim artist???
how about the others are also involved???
anyway i also agreed with emma...
why just kartika only had been caught for this???
how about others???
how about muslim artist???
how about the others are also involved???

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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
@Caer: I think I'm older than you le
@emma: This is how justice system works; it's fair when you've got the connections & the money
My personal opinion is that I cannot really say that caning is a fair punishment for drinking, that's not in my league since I'm not Muslim.
But if people cannot follow their faith & there are laws to punish them for it, then they should be punished. This applies for any religion & for any crime.
@emma: This is how justice system works; it's fair when you've got the connections & the money
My personal opinion is that I cannot really say that caning is a fair punishment for drinking, that's not in my league since I'm not Muslim.
But if people cannot follow their faith & there are laws to punish them for it, then they should be punished. This applies for any religion & for any crime.
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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
agreed with sis rowan. ^^
"If people cannot follow their faith & there are laws to punish them for it, then they should be punished. This applies for any religion & for any crime."
btw, caer graduated since last year. i think he's at the same age as urs
"If people cannot follow their faith & there are laws to punish them for it, then they should be punished. This applies for any religion & for any crime."
btw, caer graduated since last year. i think he's at the same age as urs

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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
politik kt malaysia terlalu besar utk dicabar oleh mne2 pihak..
slagi seseorg itu da kepentingan poltik slgi itu jgk xkn da tndakan pe2..
slagi seseorg itu da kepentingan poltik slgi itu jgk xkn da tndakan pe2..

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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
itulah masalah bila politik terlalu besar sangat....
tetapi apa yang kartika pilih ni adalah bertepatan walaupun sepatut hukuman sebatan untuk yang minum arak sebanyak 40 kali(bukan macam sebatan kat penjara tu)
sebenarnya, bukan tak boleh hukuman islam dijalankan... cuma, pemikiran politikus dan dasar kolonisasi dahulu menghacurkan semua itu....
p/s:mana lebih bagus??? Undang2 tuhan cipta atau manusia yang cipta???
tetapi apa yang kartika pilih ni adalah bertepatan walaupun sepatut hukuman sebatan untuk yang minum arak sebanyak 40 kali(bukan macam sebatan kat penjara tu)
sebenarnya, bukan tak boleh hukuman islam dijalankan... cuma, pemikiran politikus dan dasar kolonisasi dahulu menghacurkan semua itu....
p/s:mana lebih bagus??? Undang2 tuhan cipta atau manusia yang cipta???
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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
I've seen pictures of Muslim girls drinking & the tagline would be about how Malaysia is full of hot, sexy girls.
(I can't recall where I've seen these pics though, I think it was from YouTube)
How come Kartika is the 1st woman to be caned for this offense? It's a major injustice that she's the 1st.
(I can't recall where I've seen these pics though, I think it was from YouTube)
How come Kartika is the 1st woman to be caned for this offense? It's a major injustice that she's the 1st.
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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
that why sis.... if the law did't apply on right thing, this will happen...
kadang2 ilmu yang ada pada budak2(yang miss tgk tu) tak cukup, kadang2 ikutkan hati sgt pon ada....
kadang2 ilmu yang ada pada budak2(yang miss tgk tu) tak cukup, kadang2 ikutkan hati sgt pon ada....
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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
pd pendapat aku,
bukan PATUT atau TIDAK PATUT dia disebat..kalo undang2 berkaitan da menyatakan (terlebih dahulu)bahawa kesalahan sebegini ptt disebat (sebatan yg sebati dgn kesalahan), then dia patut disebat aaa...tu je!!
bukan PATUT atau TIDAK PATUT dia disebat..kalo undang2 berkaitan da menyatakan (terlebih dahulu)bahawa kesalahan sebegini ptt disebat (sebatan yg sebati dgn kesalahan), then dia patut disebat aaa...tu je!!

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Re: To Cane or Not to Cane...
benda ni ade dibincang dalam tv skarang...
boleh tgk Di Luar Lingkungan kat tv1...
mmg menarik dah agak sengit perbincangan dia.....
boleh tgk Di Luar Lingkungan kat tv1...
mmg menarik dah agak sengit perbincangan dia.....

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